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Quote fiddler Replybullet Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:28pm
Hah, you guys crack me up. Picking on an old guy like Layton. Anyway you new riders will like what we have so far. Nothing too hard or impassable...at least right now.Wink
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Quote WarrenM Replybullet Posted: 08 September 2009 at 10:03pm
Can you tell how long a run it's going to be or is that a secret :)
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Quote FlyinRyan Replybullet Posted: 09 September 2009 at 10:53pm
Grayhair, I would run barkbusters for this or any Hare Scramble / Enduro in the midwest.  Some events are tighter then others and Geneseo will have a good mix so it's better to be safe then sorry.
 
Warren, I'm guessing the event will be 2 loops (the same loop run twice) of about 30 miles each loop.  This is what the event has typically been in the past.  I'm sure as the event gets closer we'll get more details.
 
Fiddler, I heard two old guys showed you how to ride last weekend:)
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Quote WarrenM Replybullet Posted: 10 September 2009 at 7:55pm
Thanks FlyinRyan,  I'm heading to Kentucky this weekend for a 200 mile dual sport ride so my rump should be in shapeOuch   The wife and a friend are coming to watch the enduro.  I'm looking forward to riding it.
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Quote chiefgrayhair Replybullet Posted: 11 September 2009 at 8:12pm
Thanks FlyinRyan, I got some new bars today and will put the bark busters back on. 
How about some more advice for an old rookie.  What do you carry as esentials regarding tools or spare parts?  Do you carry much?
 
And, for our hosts, does 'no time keeping equipment required' mean that 'there is no way any of you guys are gonna stay on time?'


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Quote chiefgrayhair Replybullet Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:35pm
Cheap $ tip...

If you do ride an event that involves timekeeping equipment (that I prefer), consider this cheap dual purpose solution:

If you wear a watch and need a new one, get the Casio SGW200. (reg retail $65, sale prices around $45)

http://www.casio.com/products/Timepiece/Sports/SGW200-1V/

This is a runner's training watch.  Click on the link above and read the 'technical specs' of this watch.  Runners can measure their normal stride length (by running through a puddle and measuring the footprints) and then set an audible beeping pace signal.  If they want to run a four minute mile, they set the pace signal that they then match their pounding footsteps. 

So, how does that help an enduro rider?  The technical specs say that the stride length can be set between 12 inches and 118 inches. 

#1, set the stride length at the superhuman 118 inches (a 9.83 foot stride length)
#2, set the pace at 215 steps per minute.

The watch will then tell you how many miles you would have run for any period of time that you could maintain this pace.  As an example after one minute you would have run 118 inches times 215 paces.  You would have covered 25,370 inches or 2114 feet or .4 miles.  After 30 minutes, you would have covered 2114 feet times 30 or 63,425 feet or 12.01 miles.  The watch will display 12.01 miles.  After 60 minutes the watch will display 24.02 miles.

If you match your bikes odometer to the distance travelled on the watch, you will maintain a 24MPH average.  If your odometer reads more than your watch, you are 'hot'.  If your odometer reads less than your watch, you are slow.

So, if you need a watch anyways, you now also have a nice mileage computer for your next enduro that uses a 24 MPH average.  This is the maximum speed average that this watch can compute.  If the enduro changes speed to lower averages during the enduro, you'd have to stop and reset the watch to a different pace and reset your odometer.  (that might be a pain) 

Casio made the J50 Pacesetter watch back in the eighties when I use to run 10K races.  I had this watch and figured out that I could use it for my enduro runs.  Now Casio makes the SGW200 which has the same functions.  Like I said, if you need a new watch anyways...


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Quote Layton Replybullet Posted: 14 September 2009 at 4:12pm
You won't need much for timekeeping on this enduro.  We are using the restart format which means that the enduro is a series of timed sections broken up with transfer sections.
 
Each check at the begining of a timed section is a "known control".  Because of the known control you can ride up to the check and wait for your minute to come up without any kind of a penalty.  Then you ride as fast as you can to the end of the timed section where there is another check that gets your finish time.  You WILL NOT arrive at that check early. Smile
 
Between the timed sections are transfer sections which could be roads, fields, or woods but the speed average in these sections are fairly low so everyone should have no trouble staying on time or even getting way ahead.  Again, you can arrive early at the known control so just have fun in the transfer section and go real fast in the timed sections.
 
It's really pretty simple.  The fastest rider after combining the scores of each timed section will win.
 
Bark busters are optional but highly recommend!
 
We are going to run milage this weekend.  I would expect each loop to be between 25 and 30 miles.  We will ride two loops.
 
We'd like to see some of the hare scramble guys give this a try which is why we went to the restart format.   It eliminates most of the time keeping so if you know anyone that has been thinking about trying a enduro but was worried about the timekeeping then send them our way.
 
Ha!!!!!  I just noticed that the little thingy below my name says "Half Throttle".  That's about right for an old guy.   At least I'm still riding a dirt bike.Big%20smile


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Quote chiefgrayhair Replybullet Posted: 14 September 2009 at 5:56pm
Thanks, Layton.  That's just what I expected.  I'll be happy to see 30 miles of 'new to me' trails.  I just enjoy the ride...don't care about the time or speed.
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Quote fiddler Replybullet Posted: 16 September 2009 at 3:37pm
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Ha!!!!!  I just noticed that the little thingy below my name says "Half Throttle".  That's about right for an old guy.   At least I'm still riding a dirt bike.Big%20smile
 
But that's still pretty fast with a 300!!
 
Ryan, those old bastards show me something new every time I ride with them. Just last week I watched Layton kick his brand new 300 three times before he have up and just hit the start button.LOL
 
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Quote 2whlrcr Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2009 at 8:34pm
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How about some more advice for an old rookie.  What do you carry as esentials regarding tools or spare parts?  Do you carry much?

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If I was riding a Frontera, I would want to carry a spare clutch, piston and rings, chain and sprockets and maybe a crank.    Just joking.

The modern bikes are so reliable that, if you have done your maintenance, you almost don't have any problems on the trail, unless they are self induced. With your bike, you might want to carry a plug or two, if it fouls easily. Maybe some zip ties, wire, etc for a quick emergency repair. Some kind of multi tool, or small tools that easy to carry. Me, I'm lazy. I figure if I break, it's a good excuse to quit.

Just for your information there are a few places that run a true vintage class in hare scrambles and also the Midwest VMX motocross series. Don't let the motocross part scare you off. The tracks are tame and nothing like modern MX and were all old and slow.
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Quote chiefgrayhair Replybullet Posted: 19 September 2009 at 4:25pm
You hit the nail squarely on the head.  I'm not riding off 20 miles from base on a Bultaco without almost my entire tool box and spare parts inventory strapped to my back and a good strong tow strap! 
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Quote WarrenM Replybullet Posted: 20 September 2009 at 8:46pm
I seen they have more info posted on the Enduro with a sweet gun raffleClap

  I also looked at the terrain and was wondering about my gearing. Right now I have a crf250x geared kinda low for tighter woods....but I can only cruise roads about 30 - 35mph comfy.  I could gear it up to run 40ish comfy but at the cost of being able to work mud/tight trails and lofting my front tire. 
  Any advice??
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Quote Layton Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2009 at 2:17pm
Leave the gearing alone if you are comfortable with it.
This enduro has a lot of hills in some of the sections and the lower gearing will probably help you.
 
The speed limits on the roads we are using are all under 45 mph and there is no reason to be going any faster.
 
There will be plenty of reset time plus relatively easy transfer sections between the checks so 25 to 40 on the roads should be no problem.  And we'd frown on speeding since you are in a lot of residential areas.
 
Also, if you are so far behind that you would have to speed on the roads to get back on time then you might just as well slow down and enjoy the scenery since you will to far behind to get a trophy anyway.  Big%20smile
 
We are going to be running along a lot of bean fields this year.  In fact, in one spot we go right through the middle of a bean field.  The farmer was nice enough to let us do it but I actually felt guilty running over his beans on the pre ride Saturday.
SO- GUYS, STAY OUT OF THE BEANS EXCEPT FOR WHERE WE CROSS THE ONE FIELD.  And even then stay between the arrows so we do as little damage as possible.
 
Most of the time when you are around bean fields you will be in transfer sections where you should not only be on time but way ahead and there will be NO excuse for getting into the fields.  
 
I know everyone always says this but we actually will have someone with a clip board writing down the numbers of anyone that crosses that bean field in the wrong spot or gets off the line we marked.  If we loose that field that is pretty much the end of the enduro as we have no other good way to get from point  A to point B.  Tell everyone you see that is riding the enduro what I just said because I'm not kidding about it at all.
 
There are several corn fields along the course and if you are dumb enough to hit those at speed then you get what you deserve. 
 
The pre ride went great on Saturday.  The trails are in excellent condition.  If anything, they were on the dry side so any rain we get will just settle the dust.  
 
Hope to see you there.


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Quote 2whlrcr Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by WarrenM

I seen they have more info posted on the Enduro with a sweet gun raffleClap  I also looked at the terrain and was wondering about my gearing. Right now I have a crf250x geared kinda low for tighter woods....but I can only cruise roads about 30 - 35mph comfy.  I could gear it up to run 40ish comfy but at the cost of being able to work mud/tight trails and lofting my front tire.    Any advice??


I don't know what you've changed your gearing too, but I have a stock CRF250X and the gearing works fine for this event. Comfortably cruising speed of 50mph.
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Quote 2whlrcr Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:53pm
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Leave the gearing alone if you are comfortable with it.
This enduro has a lot of hills in some of the sections and the lower gearing will probably help you.

 

The speed limits on the roads we are using are all under 45 mph and there is no reason to be going any faster.

 

There will be plenty of reset time plus relatively easy transfer sections between the checks so 25 to 40 on the roads should be no problem.  And we'd frown on speeding since you are in a lot of residential areas.

 

Also, if you are so far behind that you would have to speed on the roads to get back on time then you might just as well slow down and enjoy the scenery since you will to far behind to get a trophy anyway.  Big%20smile

 

We are going to be running along a lot of bean fields this year.  In fact, in one spot we go right through the middle of a bean field.  The farmer was nice enough to let us do it but I actually felt guilty running over his beans on the pre ride Saturday.

SO- GUYS, STAY OUT OF THE BEANS EXCEPT FOR WHERE WE CROSS THE ONE FIELD.  And even then stay between the arrows so we do as little damage as possible.

 

Most of the time when you are around bean fields you will be in transfer sections where you should not only be on time but way ahead and there will be NO excuse for getting into the fields.  

 

I know everyone always says this but we actually will have someone with a clip board writing down the numbers of anyone that crosses that bean field in the wrong spot or gets off the line we marked.  If we loose that field that is pretty much the end of the enduro as we have no other good way to get from point  A to point B.  Tell everyone you see that is riding the enduro what I just said because I'm not kidding about it at all.

 

There are several corn fields along the course and if you are dumb enough to hit those at speed then you get what you deserve. 

 

The pre ride went great on Saturday.  The trails are in excellent condition.  If anything, they were on the dry side so any rain we get will just settle the dust.  

 

Hope to see you there.


Layton, you are starting to sound like Ryan.
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Quote WarrenM Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2009 at 6:50pm
Thanks...  from the weather it looks as if the dust should be settled by nowLOL


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Quote 16Prez Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2009 at 9:52pm
I am 60 and would definitely recommend Bark Busters.  Went on a trail ride in the spring with an old buddy of mine and managed to tip over on an uphill and broke the perch.....forgot the old trick of loosening the perch so the lever or perch would not break ( a tip to the youngsters who were born after barkbusters were invented).
 
Will not make it to Geneseo this year.  Working on Jackson County trails (Wisconsin) on Saturday, then family gathering with 90 year old uncle and aunt visiting from Texas on Saturday night.......
 
You can count on Pete and Gus making this a fun event.
 
Ken
 
P.S.  I am still convinced Spence has my trophy from last year :--)
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Quote superman Replybullet Posted: 23 September 2009 at 4:14pm
Barkbusters? Ryan isn't the idea to miss the trees? Just checking.
 
I also heard a guy named Walker is going to be washing bikes at Geneseo after the race (while wearing a skirt). Do you know anything about this?
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Quote chiefgrayhair Replybullet Posted: 24 September 2009 at 5:23am
Anyone from the Elgin/St.Charles area going to the Geneseo Enduro?  I could use a partner/ambulance driver just in case I need one.  I'm probably coming by myself.  If I ask, would someone from the club load up my stuff and take my truck to a safe location if I am in recovery mode?
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Quote Layton Replybullet Posted: 24 September 2009 at 7:50am
Originally posted by chiefgrayhair

Anyone from the Elgin/St.Charles area going to the Geneseo Enduro?  I could use a partner/ambulance driver just in case I need one.  I'm probably coming by myself.  If I ask, would someone from the club load up my stuff and take my truck to a safe location if I am in recovery mode?
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